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11 February 2003 @ 09:08 pm
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Percussion rocks sternums
screaming? snares and
cymbals ring in my ears
the deaf side hears
nothing but wind and static
it's clearer when plugged

this has ceased to be fun
(gone on for too damn long)

...

Can't put feet on seats.
Ushers must think
that I hide the power of the Hulk.

...

"Science of Attraction"
Longer socks or shave my ankles,
pockets or men.
Quite a conundrum.




I have three new peeves, or rather peeves that I've probably always had, but just recently had occasion to think about. The first one is this: even if I support the cause for which you are selling them, I am being honest when I say that I really don't want to buy a chocolate vagina on a stick. I just don't.

Second, people who "don't credit" artwork properly. Recently, I've seen two different people try to pass off a well-known fanwork as their own, through the oh so subtle process of omitting the true artist's name. The same picture has popped up in the FFVII community, and I had a knee-jerk reaction when I saw it. x_x I still think that it might have been helpful had the person stated where they found the image ... otherwise, I've found that people tend to assume that the work is of the hands who post it.

And finally, I am annoyed by people who don't read the damn rules before joining a community - any community. If the so-called "announcements list" says no discussion should take place there, then don't discuss. If the "[Insert Whatever Here] Community" says no spamming, then do not post about your newly created community, or your "original" fanart, or your new website, or whatever. If it is clearly stated that a community is for one thing and one thing only, do not post about a completely unrelated, different thing. Ok, I'm done now. You get the idea - the rules apply to you too, so don't be mad at me when I go about pointing that out privately. XP

Today, figure drawing ... was stressful. After the class concluded, I felt completely exhausted, and every joint ached. You see, many things happened today ... first, we moved on into the next section of the syllabus, self portraits. I have yet to master Degas, though it has been three weeks ... and a portfolio is coming due in two, and I must have Degas-styled stuff in there. Worse yet, apparently my recent work has been of such a nature that he is worried enough to ask me to bring in my stuff and talk to him prior to next class. I knew that I was stuck, but I didn't think I was that stuck ... he wants to know why I do this.

I've got a day to figure the world out. x_x

While we were drawing, I was exasperated and wrote a "poem" of sorts on the work I was attempting. This sort of thing isn't unusual for me ... every teacher has noticed that I tend to write all over my work, and fellow students see that I draw all over my notes. To me, drawing and writing are not separate things.

I don't have a world to change
No message to bring
Neither advocate
nor follower

But this particular snippet led to an entire discussion which I felt most stressful, and culminated in a comment "I think you have something to say, but you have yet to give yourself permission to say it." He also warned me to stay away from "computer stuff," because apparently, it will completely screw me over.

But how can I diassociate myself from computer stuff ...? I am in constant contact with people who do it, I critique in forums of it, and I experiment with it off and on. What does he mean by "computer stuff," anyway? Is the scope as limited as the anime community that I've written to him about, or is it wider? I suspect that it is the former, but how can I avoid anime-style when I do not wish to rid myself of it? I find it beautiful, and it is something I see every day. Hey, why does it have to screw me over? Why can't I find a way to join it with other things? If I can be allowed to integrate text into my art, why not anime? I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THIS LIMITATION THAT YOU'VE PLACED UPON ME! ::shakes fists:: Not that I have any clue as to how I'd go about defying such a strongly-held belief that many professionals have, but ... whatever.
 
 
Current Mood: crankycranky
Current Music: Tristania - The Shining Path
 
 
 
Alexander Williamszamiel on February 11th, 2003 07:18 pm (UTC)
If he had such great insights into the nature of art and the philosophy of life, wouldn't he be out telling the world his message and not trying to live vicariously by teaching people how to tell the world their own?

I have little time for academic artists, truthfully. They're wastes of good protoplasm that could be filling up useful flesh-eating amoebas.
One Who Wanders: ponder thisabiona on February 11th, 2003 09:09 pm (UTC)
Goodness, there are a boatload of interesting assumptions in this comment of yours. ^_^; The tone seems to indicate some cynical suspicion that because he is not "out in the world" making it as an "artist" means that he's a bitter failure who is twisting the minds of young students.

Given that I like all of my art teachers at this school and am wont to defend their actions, I do not believe that the above paragraph is true. He has a career, but his first priority is his students. He made the decision to become a teacher - not to spread his word, but to help others find the vocabulary to express what they see. Of course, he has to relate these things to his own experience - but I don't think he's out to get me, or to mould me into a little clone of himself. (Thank goodness, for he is a painter at heart - and painting is not my natural skill.) He knows what he's talking about, and he has a lot of knowledge that he can share. I can tell.

He isn't spouting "great insights" to me, necessarily. He is showing what he sees as the truth; it is up to me to interpret and deal with it as I see fit. He is giving me information, but he is not forcing me to do anything. What I do is my choice, whether I consciously realize it or not. I think wanting to know why I'm doing what I'm doing is a valid question. Why am I doing these things? He can come up with his own views on why I'm doing what I'm doing, but hearing my own reasons in my own words can only help to clear matters up for him.

I'm not trying to convince you that all art teachers are good, because they're not. I just want to defend mine, because I think they're great folks with a lot of experience, and I don't want any misconceptions floating around. ^_^;
Alexander Williamszamiel on February 11th, 2003 10:32 pm (UTC)
Like most Engineers, I have a great cynical suspicion of folks engaged in liberal arts exercises, mainly because if it doesn't blow up, go fast, or technologically replicate telepathy I just don't have much time for it. This is at odds with my identity as a Writer, of course, but I assauge my guilt as a Creator by suggesting that my writing is helping popularize Engineering as the new Christianity.

That said, any art teacher who in any way denigrates "computer stuff" is living a decade in the past; the amount of media produced today is, at some point in production, digital in some form or fashion. The more intimate you get with digital skills, including things like collaboration via email/digital communities, the better positioned you'll be when you actually go out and try to get a job, accomplishing something.
claireinbredslytherin on February 11th, 2003 07:50 pm (UTC)
imagine you work for an art school, and it is your job to look over the portfolios of people who want to enter the school. for years, you have been pleasantly entertained by various artworks and new styles. then, one day, you get a portfolio that has flat, 2D drawings of totally improportional people with overdone cartoon style eyes. perhaps at first it is interesting... but then... you get more. portfolio after portfolio is full of this style, and you cannot bring yourself to let these aspiring artists into the school. it is flat, it is lifeless, and besides some slight differences to the overdone cartoon eyes, it is the same as the drawing before it. it can drive an art lover insane.

if you want to go go into the comic feild, or become a character designer, then anime styled art is fine. but if you want to go to an art school and become a painter or "true artist", then you should stay away from encorperating it into your own work. OR, you better come up with a godly art style (ie, Amano).
One Who Wanders: contemplativeabiona on February 11th, 2003 09:00 pm (UTC)
I like to think that a portfolio, given in the intent to gain admission, is a source where instructors can look to find potential, not currently present skill. Much of the material I included in my first admissions portfolio was anime-influenced and caricature-like in nature, yet here I am.

A character design job would be my dream, but looking at reality, my current major is Computer Art/Graphic Design. I see little problem with involving catchy anime-stylized artwork in that at appropriate times, as you're right - it has become increasingly popular in many age groups. In the future, I intend to continue my education in art history, so eventually how I draw will probably make little to no difference.

Though this is the case, I find it hard to simply look away from anime for other reasons. It was one of the things that interested me in the act of drawing itself, and oddly enough - more accuracy to the form (prior to becoming interested in anime, my folks often lacked eyebrows, ears, and distinct limbs). But since I began drawing in anime style, and especially in recent months, I've been trying to create an "anime style" that doesn't really look like any other. It won't be "Sailor Moon" when I'm done, nor "DBZ." It won't be fluffy sparkly shoujo, no matter how much I love to look upon MKR and other assorted CLAMP efforts. It'll be whatever it turns out to be, I guess ... but I will always be working at it.

The way things stand now, anime style is given a glance and tossed aside. It bugs me that things are like this because I do not believe that "anime style" has been fully explored. The borders have only been expanded so far - I think it may be possible to go beyond that. It has the potential to be something other than "flat" and "lifeless."
claire: rose~inbredslytherin on February 11th, 2003 09:20 pm (UTC)
what you'd like people to think of portfolios as is extremely different than what "the art world" thinks of them as. and if you think I'm being an ass ~ I was dragged through a "prestigious" art school program and have befriended a wonderful lady who reviews portfolios for Chapman college in California, and have been subject to her rants, and her colleges' rants, on how the anime style is seen through their eyes.

the reason why it is tossed aside is that no one has gone and made it any different and still called it anime. *shrugs* from what i've seen, people who start at anime and end up with a style, no longer have anime.. just.. their style.

obviously, I have no problem with the anime style. it simply has it's place...
One Who Wanders: caringabiona on February 12th, 2003 05:57 am (UTC)
No, I don't think you're being an ass ... you're being frank, which is fine. ^^;
jaekyu on February 12th, 2003 12:14 am (UTC)
Mmmmm...chocolate...

What? It was getting all serious and intellectual in here, just trying to lighten the mood...
SD: Blahsado_nishi on February 12th, 2003 12:24 am (UTC)
To me, drawing and writing are not separate things.

I so envy you. I can draw, but I can't write worth shit... So to me, those two things are extremely separate.
One Who Wanders: amusedabiona on February 12th, 2003 06:02 am (UTC)
Just because they're not two separate things to me doesn't mean that I'm good at either one. ^^;
SD: Smilesado_nishi on February 12th, 2003 10:41 am (UTC)
Oh, come on! Your art rocks, and you write well too. At least that's how I've always felt about your work. :D
Diminuendo Arpeggioamir03 on February 12th, 2003 07:36 pm (UTC)
The anime style [b]is[/b] the limitation. It's not naturalistic in the least bit, and therefore rends a giant rift between the audience's emotions and the piece of art. Well, that's how I see it, I guess.
Diminuendo Arpeggioamir03 on February 12th, 2003 07:45 pm (UTC)
D'oh. So ezBoardized. Anyway...

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/G/grunewald/grunwld1.jpg.html

What would the reaction of the patients be if an anime-style version of this were to have been hung in the ergotism clinic?
One Who Wanders: blahabiona on February 14th, 2003 11:21 am (UTC)
Well, I feel stupid. Since I can't remember what the heck an "ergotism clinic" is, I looked "ergotism" up ...

Main Entry: er·got·ism
Pronunciation: '&r-g&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
Date: circa 1841
: a toxic condition produced by eating grain, grain products (as rye bread), or grasses infected with ergot fungus or by chronic excessive use of an ergot drug


o.O

Despite my lack of knowing what the hell an ergotism clinic is, you should know already that my response to your question will not be the one you are seeking. "Depends on the patients' beliefs and the culture in which they were raised."
One Who Wanders: blahabiona on February 14th, 2003 11:23 am (UTC)
Why does a piece have to be "naturalistic" to reach an audience's emotions? What is naturalistic? Why is there that rift of which you speak? What prevents me from seeking out a reconciliation of the two?
Diminuendo Arpeggioamir03 on February 14th, 2003 01:23 pm (UTC)
"Naturalistic" is mirroring nature.

It's just like that basic lesson in fiction writing. (I treat writing, drawing, theater, movies, and music almost exactly the same.) If it's not believable, it's not going to be cast aside. Believable means details and depth that anime has a hard time offering. Anime style is sort of caught in between abstract (oh, say, Picasso) and naturalistic (let's go with Van Dyke,) and it's distracting, because there's no direction for interpretation. It captures the superficialities in nature without the detail to reach the intricate, the accuracy to be convincing, or the flexibility in abstraction to appeal to a versatile range of emotions. Anime style is pretty template-ic. I'm sure there are professors out there who just see anime style in their students as a lack of effort/ability/attention in observation of the work's subject. It doesn't have the spirituality (and freedom) of the abstract, nor the command over reality that makes pieces like that triptich so powerful. There is profundity in abstract form and arrangement that the anime template is not meant to serve, and cannot serve.
Diminuendo Arpeggioamir03 on February 14th, 2003 04:42 pm (UTC)
Anime style also can be perceived to parallel pop music. It is so in that neither is progressive with the entire body of its art form, and its progression is lagged behind that of said respective body.
Diminuendo Arpeggio: neutralamir03 on February 14th, 2003 09:05 pm (UTC)
Furthermore, the only reason I can discern for the deviance from reality in the first place would be a catering to the Japanese lolita fetish. I'm sure that that is not looked upon too highly for a number of reasons. It's pretty superficial, and one of those traditions that just makes things harder. There are people out there who do find the style grotesque. A budding artist may find the anime style attractive, because of its simplicity and its ready compliance to the unpracticed renderer's instinctive largening of the head. But as the artist's mastery over the visual improves, the template-driven anime style cannot quite accommodate him any longer. What said style connotes is an adoption of a tradition that is accessable, but that has no clear or meaningful reasons for what it does, thereby alienating the audience without just cause.

I guess I'm just in a devil's advocate-y mood. ^.^;