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15 November 2002 @ 12:23 am
I will survive!  

There are three quotes available here in today's limited number, one-time only, LJ-Cut Clearance! The first two snazzy numbers are from Funimation's classic rendition of DBZ, and the final quoteage, followed by some spoilerific discussion, is from FFVIII. Once we're out, we're out! Cash only, all sales final. No returns accepted or refunds given, no matter how hard you kick me. XP

"Great galaxy! If I know my anatomy [...]" - Vegeta

I don't know what the original Japanese line was, but this dub version of it just cracked me up (not to mention the thought of Vegeta studying anatomy). This was a good DBZ episode to come back to ... on top of that, it's one that I've never seen before! : D Happy Sakaki, happy Sakaki. For although I effectively spoiled all of DBZ for myself in order to be able to discuss it at AGV, I had not actually seen past what Cartoon Network had shown before I came here to school my freshman year. Since we've suddenly got CN now (albeit all the way out on channel 73, like a lone island in the Pacific ... what, is the cable company hoping that no one is going to notice?), it was just happy kickass nostalgia and joy to turn the TV on and see Vegeta. ^^

"I will not suffer the same fate as cream fillings!" - Vegeta

I love Veggiematic ... as I love DBZ, and I will defend it always (providing I am there, and have the time and energy with which to do so) against blanket generalizations like "DBZ fans are stupid," "DBZ is stupid," "DBZ sucks," and so on. After all, if all of DBZ sucked in every way possible, it would not be here over ten years past its creation, nor would they have made so damn much of it. ::stops herself from going on about it:: I worry whenever I mention DBZ - some folks seem to have a knee-jerk, negative reaction to it, and do not have any hesitations in voicing such. Frankly, I don't mind if you don't like it - no anime will ever be completely universal in its appeal. All that I ask is that you do not insult me for liking it. XP Leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone, you know?

"I wasn't paying close attention while they made me up to be this hero of the revolution, and I ended up being president." - Laguna Loire

You've gotta love Laguna. There's just something about him that is very endearing ... perhaps it is the fact that he is so human? He screws up and life treats him unkindly, but he takes things as they come and works with what he's got. I think many people who dislike him fail to see past the leg cramps and the stutters to find that Laguna is, of all things, a survivor.

Seifer sliced Odin in half! THAT B@STARD! >.< Does he know what I had to go through to get Odin on my side?? >.<; Geeze ... really, he could've just beaten him up a bit ... but given the effort I put into Odin and Odin's general coolness, a clean slice all the way through is rather annoying. -_o The guy that now comes in Odin's place (Gilgamesh?) is ... well, somehow I get the feeling that no matter how hard he tries to be cool, he's forever somewhat of a dork. ^_^;

I've been inquiring about my paychecks from the two issues of the Decaturian that I put together. I have not yet been paid the $100 which they owe me, nor have I been informed that the funds have gone to my workstudy (which is not something I believe I've set up to have done anyway). It seems they may have lost the contract that I signed, which pisses me off. >.<

After lunch, I brought this perfect, vibrant red little leaf that I found on the sidewalk in from outside ... since I was in a rush to get to class, I left it sitting on my desk ... while I was away, it curled up, and is now all crumpled, crispy, crunchy, and dead. ;_; Alas!

I feel strange right now. I want do so something, but I do not know what. Since I've been over at Kirkland every night this week at this time, it feels rather odd to be sitting here in my room ... I want to do something, and yet at the same time, I just want to sit back and let myself crash, since the worst of a long week is over and done with.

It was an interesting critique today (and I actually took a few notes which were true notes, not me lambasting myself for being an idiot) ... we had to partner up and select four or five drawings that our partner had done, put them up for the class to see, and then lead the discussion on those pieces, and say why we picked them.

I got a lot of very, very enthusiastic praise for a piece I did subtractively ... it was a front, slightly foreshortened view of the torso, done mostly with eraser and a bit of charcoal on paper which had been grayed with a light layering charcoal rubbed down. The others said things like "it's difficult to be so gentle with the eraser," "I like how suggestive of forms it is," and a copious amount of "it reminds me of [DaVinci/Insert Old Master Name Here]."

People liked my skeleton as well ... the pieces that my partner had selected of mine were all pieces that she felt were "different from [the] angular pictures" that I usually do. All this makes me wonder ... is my strength in my gentleness, and in my subtlety? Is this sudden skill and affinity I displayed with that technique a result of my fondness in the past for gentle blending with pencils (a reason why I was slow to get into CGing, and have still refused to espouse "good clean cel shading") ...? Has anime caused me to overlook my inherent skills, and to reach for something which is not of my nature?

Maybe I can draw an RO comparison. I loved being an acolyte, not for their adherence to "God" ... but for their skills, and the gentle kindness often associated with them. It's why I was far more successful as an acolyte than I was as a thief (too "sassy"), a merchant (too "down to earth"), or a magician (too damn easy to kill ... XD). All my characters displayed traits of courtesy, but the healing skills of the acolyte suited me best, I think. (Gah ... I can't wait for RO to come back ... I hope nobody takes my names ... ;_;)

Well ... it's late, and I have morning classes. Good night, folks, I'll see ya later.
Current Mood: I should be doing something ...
Current Music: Nightwish - Sin is My Sin
SD: Smilesado_nishi on November 14th, 2002 11:49 pm (UTC)
I feel the same way about DBZ. I admit that there are many annoying DBZ fans out there, especially those who think they know anime just by watching DBZ... But overall I still defend those generalizations, cause it's a manga I grew up on as a child! And I liked it, too.

And I say manga, not anime, cause I actually couldn't stand the anime... Moved way too slowly.
HEADCLEANER: Kefkaantitype on November 15th, 2002 06:08 am (UTC)
That's the big difference, to me.. The manga is pretty decent, but as far as I'm concerned the anime is total shit (especially the dub), and I don't see how someone as intelligent as Anne could get anything out of it. ^^;
One Who Wanders: anime fanabiona on November 15th, 2002 09:45 am (UTC)
ACK! Generalization! : P

The anime is not "total shit." Yes, parts of it could be a hell of a lot better, for at times the animation is quite deformed, and there could be much less filler (I like to keep in mind that there are reasons for these faults). But parts of it are just fine, and I've reached a point where I watch what I want to watch, and feel no obligation to swim through all 200+ episodes and movies and OAVs and so on.

If you get past the Toriyama style, screams, and the filler episodes, there are actually deep questions and emotional issues addressed and answered. Dealings with death, pride, genocide, family ... all these and more do exist within the DBZ universe. It's not put out in front of your face (the filler will make you think that it's all five minute fights somehow mysteriously lasting for weeks) and is often hidden by humor, but it is there. While many view the series as merely spanning a set of fights that just keep on going and going, it really describes the life of a (very different sort of) family.

DBZ is also about a basic conflict between good and evil. Yes, the fights keep on coming - but that is because evil cannot be completely eradicated, and moths are drawn to light.

I get something out of it because I like many of the characters, believe that there are reasons for what they do, and try to figure how the environment in which DBZ was produced impacted the product that we know now.

Like it or not, the DBZ anime is something remarkable because of its staying power.

Hey, you know what? Your DBZ is my End of Evangelion. : P hehe
One Who Wanders: anime fanabiona on November 15th, 2002 09:59 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, and about the dub -

It could be better. It could be worse. It has its strengths and its weaknesses (the weaknesses focused upon far more than the strengths), but since DBZ was that catalyst which brought me into anime and into my life's focus, I'm damn glad the dub exists.

Miwa made a comment about anime fandom being an underground hobby - and I feel that many anime fans wish it to remain that way. Part of the derision towards DBZ is due in part to the isolationist, sometimes elitist tendencies of many anime fans to regard anime shown on American TV as "too easy" to obtain, and therefore not what a "true," dedicated anime fan would watch, as well as thinking of newbies as a threat to the status quo. (Anime broadcast over TV will inevitably bring in a surge of new faces.) Though change is inevitable, much of anime fandom clings to the power structure which it knows best, and fears change. Change, whether it be in the lines or in the people, is a violation of a deeply held, subconscious principle.

Pride. Much of the devisiveness in anime fandom exists because of pride, and a desire to hold on to a status which the individual feels makes them special, unique, or otherwise worthwhile. Everyone, on every level, has pride. Everyone wants to maintain their "face," their dignity. For example, some older anime fans will mock the newbies who do not own fansubs, harkening back to a day when being an anime fan took a whole lot of effort - and thus insinuating that the newbies aren't as dedicated an anime fan as they are, which is often interpreted as an insult. As a result, the newbies react negatively. Some newbies act like know-it-alls, and thus the older anime fans feel that all their fears about the incoming wave thanks to Cartoon Network are justified.

I make this seem like there are only two sides to this issue, but there are far more. Regardless, the keyword is some, some. Not all on any facet behave in this way, but the few who do are the ones we focus upon.

Anime will probably remain an "underground hobby," because many wish it to remain so, and regardless of that - we are very scattered, and as a result there are few common goals which everyone shares.
HEADCLEANER: Holding My Thoughts in My Heartantitype on November 16th, 2002 08:52 am (UTC)
I don't really care about the popularity of anime, and I get no feeling of 'pride' or identity from my interest in anime. I just like what I like. Please don't think that just because I dislike DBZ in general means I think I'm a 'better' anime fan than you. ^^; I just don't like it.
One Who Wanders: contemplativeabiona on November 16th, 2002 09:10 am (UTC)
By that point, I wasn't speaking of you specifically, but more of anime fandom in general. It's fine that you don't like DBZ ... as it's fine that I do like it. ^_^
HEADCLEANER: Holding My Thoughts in My Heartantitype on November 16th, 2002 09:37 am (UTC)
Oh, of course it's fine. ^^; Maybe I'm missing out. ::Shrug.:: This is like me and Harry Potter. Everyone insists that it's not so bad, despite the fact the the fandom utterly scares me and I'm just not interested at all...
SD: Smilesado_nishi on November 15th, 2002 11:34 am (UTC)
Dealings with death, pride, genocide, family ... all these and more do exist within the DBZ universe.

Yeah, it's explained in tons of fighting, but in a way that's what makes it easier to understand. When the series first started, it was targeted towards a younger audience anyway. Perhaps for them to learn that "bad guys never win"...? Except it just so happened that adults started liking it too; even my dad and a lot of my uncles read it back then.

Awhile back I posted in my LJ about how my friend Gabe's girlfriend Akiko, who lives in Japan, taped something off of Japanese TV. She came here for a vacation, and she brought it with her. It was a "Top 100 anime characters of all time" type of thing. It's a pretty recent one. And guess who got 2nd place? Son Goku of DBZ. Gabe freaked out about that, but to be totally honest, I was not surprised at all. I've lived in Taiwan a lot (many of my family is there), and visited a lot of other nearby Asian countries, like Singapore, Malaysia, etc. Not necessarily Japan, but... From what I've noticed, DBZ is not hated at all over there. People kind of view it as either a legend, a childhood memory, or just a series that made a huge impact on the anime industry. For the people of Japan to even vote Goku into the number 2 spot out of 100 kind of makes it obvious that many of the fans over there still think of DBZ in a good way. Besides, Goku really is a character that people can really look up to, not just because of his power, but his principles.

So I never really understood what's with all the DBZ hate over here in the US. Yes, there are a lot of annoying DBZ fans here. People who watch only that, and nothing else, yet think they know everything about anime. People who go into chat rooms RPing DBZ when they're just tossing blasts at each other (no offense, but it gets annoying). Or is it just because it's mainstream, and on TV? Either way, I also don't think it would be right to hate a series just because of some annoying fans, or because it goes mainstream... I still like it.

For the anime, well, if they took out all the filler episodes then I might like it more. ^_^;
HEADCLEANER: Kefkaantitype on November 16th, 2002 08:49 am (UTC)
If you get past the Toriyama style, screams, and the filler episodes, there are actually deep questions and emotional issues addressed and answered. Dealings with death, pride, genocide, family ... all these and more do exist within the DBZ universe.

Maybe so, but I'm not willing to wade through all the garbage to get to those few interesting moments. ^^;
One Who Wanders: determinedabiona on November 16th, 2002 09:12 am (UTC)
That's an entirely fine decision.

But now you know why I am wont to disagree with statements like "DBZ is 'total shit.'" ^_^ Because I have looked, ya know?
HEADCLEANER: Melodies of Lifeantitype on November 16th, 2002 09:33 am (UTC)
When I said that, I was only really referring to the anime, and the dub in particular. :d The subtitled anime and the manga are different cases altogether, and since I haven't seen or read either, I have no opinion on them.
ex_jean on November 15th, 2002 07:38 am (UTC)
Hey yeah, I just watched that same episode via KaZaA the other day! I had to watch it when it came on again yesterday... it really appealed to me. Vegeta had a lot of good quotes in that one. Especially when Goku was asking him if he'd help fight those green things... "Oh, sure. You know me, I'm a real team player." :snert:

And I have to agree with you on the Acolyte bit. The class itself rocks... the skills are varied and not all self-serving like the skills of other classes. (I need to write something about that in my LJ when I get back from a lecture.) My only problem is the way other people treat the class... but you wrote the Acolyte's Manifesto, so you know all about it.

the gentle kindness often associated with them

Which is why I have fun being Kookith. XD Totally opposite! "DIE PLZKTHX."
One Who Wanders: demonicabiona on November 15th, 2002 10:01 am (UTC)
Estelle - PEOPLE!!
ex_jean on November 15th, 2002 10:56 am (UTC)
Kookith - ATTACK!

The two draw their weapons and prepare for battle. In the hand of the bartender is a mace oft used for a meat tenderizer. Whether it be a slab of steak or a customer makes not a difference. In front of her is the cook, brandishing her partizan like the native "savages" of yore. That partizan, like the mace, is unpartial to what meat it pierces: sometimes it is a spit for roasting PecoPecos, other times... well... you get the point (pun intended).

As both race towards the door, hats fly off -- a newbie has just walked into the room, and both must show him the true, traditional hospitality of Munak Star Bar & Grill.


Yeah. I like short improv stories.
Giang (yang): Sephirothcometeoraine on November 15th, 2002 07:22 pm (UTC)
I prefer Odin. You can at least have some saying in when Odin appears, but Gilgamesh appears out of nowhere at the wrong place, at the wrong time. Blegh! He looks like a copy of Gogo.
One Who Wanders: annoyedabiona on November 15th, 2002 10:14 pm (UTC)
So far, every time that he's appeared, he has missed his target ... >.>;